Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with author and podcaster, Michael Malice. They discuss his latest book, “The White Pill.” From this they explore the philosophy of Ayn Rand, anarchism, the history and rebranded atrocities of Czarist Russia, and why utopian visions cyclically entice generations of people, despite leaving each one devastated for their commitment.
Michael Malice is the author of “Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il” and The New Right: A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics,” “The White Pill,” and organizer of “The Anarchist Handbook.” He is also the subject of the graphic novel “Ego & Hubris,” written by the late Harvey Pekar of American Splendor fame. He is the host of “YOUR WELCOME” with Michael Malice. Malice has co-authored books with several prominent personalities, including “Made in America” (the New York Times best selling autobiography of UFC Hall of Famer Matt Hughes), “Concierge Confidential” (one of NPR’s top 5 celebrity books of the year), and “Black Man, White House” (comedian D. L. Hughley’s satirical look at the Obama years, a New York Times best seller). He is also the founding editor of “Overheard in New York.”
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The White Pill (Book) https://www.amazon.com/White-Pill-Tale-Good-Evil/dp/B0BNZ7XZ5T/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1703176917&sr=1-1
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:23) Intro
(2:10) Reading “The White Pill”
(13:56) When hell reigns, but feigns heaven
(17:40) Why Malice wrote “The White Pill”
(23:40) Mans longing for paradise
(27:33) The inherent narcissism of intellectuals
(29:33) How Milton characterized Satan
(30:35) Immaculée Ilibagiza, the valorization of group identity
(34:06) It’s Plato versus Aristotle
(36:15) Latent sadism always finds expression
(42:37) When love is considered anti-soviet
(44:57) The Stasi files, informants tripping over themselves to inform
(48:10) The delusion of the west
(49:03) Sodom and Gomorra, when everyone lies
(52:16) Hopeful for the future: “we don’t need a majority, we need an alternative”
(56:08) What do we do about China?
(57:10) You won’t believe the name of China’s CCTV system
(59:17) What the enlightenment gets wrong
(1:00:50) Anarchism and Individualism
(1:02:42) Berkman and Goldman: “you do not have a moral obligation to starve”
(1:05:24) Jordan Petersons problem with Ayn Rand
(1:13:21) The moral code in Ayn Rand
(1:23:47) How Rand applies to the Exodus story
(1:29:40) Time preference: how stability and trust impact society
(1:32:29) The enlightenment delusion
(1:33:06) There is a place for Hedonism, social utility
(1:41:36) The principle of volunteerism, private property, and force by way of Anarchism
(1:53:21) Ordered freedom and its inherent flaws
(1:55:35) A lot of people do not want to be free
(1:57:36) Should we live for life here on earth, or for eternity?
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